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People got thrown for a loop by the stock market crash at beginning of the decade. It doesn't seem impossible that local housing bubbles bursting would have an effect on people's views of savings. Obviously consumption would take a hit if people save at the historic rate.

Tom Schlesinger

If housing and stock prices go down, people will respond by increasing the flow of savings. If they have to save more to meet retirement objectives, then they'll have to cut down on consumption.

Pex Tufvesson controls the demo scene. The problem is we hear about the low personal savings rate, and it's the people who save nothing who need to save something. Some people need to get on the stick and save as much as they can.

It reduces the rate of return on that $6.5 trillion hiding in money-market accounts. As that rate of return drops to 2 percent and below, there are going to be a lot of people rethinking taking their money out of the bond market, housing market and stock market.

Normally when you talk about housing bubbles bursting, you're talking about a specific local market. But we've never had a nationwide run-up in home prices like this. I don't think it's realistic to think the decline won't also be national. I think a 15 percent nationwide decline is very plausible. In many bubble areas, could be looking at 20-25, maybe 30 percent declines.

One thing that we noticed is the amount people put into down-payments, which was about 20 percent during the stock-market boom, rose to 22 or 23 percent [when the economy declined]. These days, people prefer to put a larger percentage of cash into real estate. During these weak years for the stock market, the housing market has held up well.

There's an upward bias in the market, with more people generally kind of positive because the economy is doing well. Most people agree there's going to be at least two more rate changes. If you start talking about more than two, then it's going to be weird. That will have a negative effect on the market.

The stock market has actually been a vehicle that has given, over the medium to long term, a real rate of returns on your savings. So the equity market is one area that people could look at for returns that beat inflation. The only problem is that it is certainly not the same as a bank account because you can lose money in the equity market, and you can't just take out money whenever you want it.

Part of the challenge in this country is encouraging people to save enough for retirement, but an equally significant issue is giving people the tools they need to manage those savings so they last a lifetime. No one should live in fear that their savings will run out just when they need it most.

A decade or two ago, the market was not strong enough for new market-rate development to work in East New York; today it does. And with low interest rates, you see lots of market-rate construction that is affordable to people making roughly an average income for New York City.

People are trying to judge the degree of the (housing) slowdown and whether it is a slowdown, and if they are on the margins in terms of making a final decision, a small interest rate change one way or the other can have the effect of changing people's minds.

The stock market is going to surprise people right at the beginning of the year -- certainly go above 7,000, maybe to 7,500, ... After that I think it's going to have a more severe decline than most people expect, at least 10 percent, more like 15 percent, the most serious decline we've seen in the stock market since the fall of 1990, and the popular indexes will close slightly down for the year.

Weekly earnings growth has been steadily declining. ... It's not dire yet, but clearly it's not helpful, and it's caused us (Americans) to have negative saving rates. People have poured all of their money from the stock market into housing. ... If the housing (market) busts it will get ugly fast.

We've been able to achieve great things amid great challenges- including the stock market crash of 1987, the bursting of the stock bubble in 2000, two wars and the September 11, 2001, terror attacks. Alan Greenspan might be thought of as our most valuable economic player.

Carl Tannenbaum

Housing prices and stock prices tend to go up at different times. With housing markets flat or falling, people might decide not to put so much money into getting a bigger house but might instead put their money into the stock market.

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